A glass cannon with more EHP and RR support than most fleets...

They cost nearly 100billion isk, the least they can do is insta pop your ****** dominix.

My pirate BS should be able to insta pop any frigate with its main guns because it costs so much more.

So if I spend 200 billion ISK on my Dominix, I will be able to insta-pop your titan?

Cost is not a balancing factor. Cost is a (very weak) factor in determining availability. Availability may be a balancing factor if you so choose (and utterly suck at balancing things), but is better used as just a pure epeen factor.

More to the point, if cost was a balancing factor, then either Titans would have to be nerfed toGǪ ohGǪ 1/20th of their current strength, or they would have to add another three zeros at the end of the price in order to match the Gǣmarginal improvement for magnitudes larger costGǥ progression of the rest of the game.

Battleship is to a titan what a frigate is to a battleship. Try to fit frigates with BS turrets.

Newsflash bud.

Drakes are getting swatted out of the sky at close range. Once 50 titans hit the field you cant do squat because you die so fast. 0.0 is now a game of who has the most titans and right now there is only one winner every time.

GǪexcept that price is not a factor in balancing. Again: price is an easily avoidable factor in availability, which is a completely different thing. So no, costing 100 bil is utterly irrelevant to their ability to instapop a Dominix.

GǪexcept that they're quite easy to come by these days, and that they're not (now, or ever before) balanced for that. The problem is that titans still fall into the GÇ£best counter for X ships of type Y is X+1 ships of type YGÇ¥ category. When this happens, things are inherently broken GÇö no GÇ£ifGÇ¥s, no GÇ£butGÇ¥s.

Good job missing the point almost entirely.

Titans were a bad idea in the first place, and not being able to hit subcaps is the least they can do to balance those stupid things.

It would be even better if they just removed them from the game, maybe reimbursing the pilots as they did, but that would make too much sense I guess.

So the options are, brick tank armour fleet that cant move and get ripped apart by titans or faster sheild fleets that get ripped apart by titans.

When the only counter to a ship is more of the same ship things need to change as they have done in the past.

Because the fleets involving hundreds of people that have worked together over years havent put in just as much if not more effort. What you are defending is exactly like wow gameplay where the level 85 (titans) wipe out the level 70s ( subcaps, carriers/dreads) in a handfull of vollies.

No. They're supposed to be giant epeens. Unfortunately, they made them all-powerful and a pain in the ass to fight for no particularly good reason.

Unless they're also supposed to be very easy to fight if you bring the right tools (and GÇ£the right toolsGÇ¥ must not meant GÇ£more titans than the other sideGÇ¥), they are flawed designs to begin with, so it doesn't matter what else they're supposed to do GÇö they need to be repurposed to fit within the overall design strategy of the game.

And no, no matter how much people would like it to be, price is not a factor in well-designed balance. People who bring it up only highlight that the balance needs to be fixed because it is based on fundamentally flawed and downright idiotic principles.

Oh, and by the wayGǪGǪthat's why Titans dying horribly when faced with its proper counter needs to happen, rather than the current situation where the GÇ£N+1 of the sameGÇ¥ is still the best solution for supercaps GÇö that's pretty much the epitome of GÇ£the same with a different shadeGÇ¥.

No. What makes sense is if there are things that are the best for a given situation, and if what you bring does not match the situation you're in, you're screwed GÇö you should feel the disadvantage you (accidentally?) chose to the very marrow of your bonesGǪ

GǪfor about 5s, when you wake up in your clone bay. This is what the current system fails to provide because there is a GÇ£bestGÇ¥ thing to be had. War is about strategy. GÇ£Everyone bring as many [best thing] as you canGÇ¥ is not strategy GÇö it's just a flat, moronic and thoroughly uninteresting leveling system.

crap

So why are you siding with titans which do not require even a fraction of the logistical resources a large subcap fleet needs?


So you feel a hanfull of people should utterly wipe out the vast bulk of people with a single ship that invalidates everything else? Tactics, fleet comp, FC skill, logistics and fleet discipline mean nothing. In essence, exactly the opposide to what you want is happening. It is currently impossible for a new alliance to make any gains in 0.0 because they just have titans dumped on them all the time which they cannot counter.

more crap.

Biased dribble about what is "balanced".

No they got that way because they own an I win button. Skill should always trump cash. There is a damn good reason why my corp managed to live in venal and hold off the NC at the hight of its power for years and cause some of the largest fleet losses ever seen in the game to that point. Small fish have always been able to take on the large and win in this game. Right now however even the large fish cant take on the titan blob.

Boo hoo

GǪwhich will buff it quite drastically.

GǪexcept that the loss can be compensated for.

I especially liked the part of the video where he just floated in space and waited for the red bars to fill. I see no reason to take away ones freedom to not have to try.

I hear fleet combat is whole groups of people doing this all at once. It's quite riveting I must say.

yeah all that effort to build them has ensured their rarity

or not

stop being dumb?

some northrn regions with tech moons have 800-1200 billion isk income... a month... titan production cost; 45b at 800 billion that is 18 titans a month........

Ok PL guy, put your money where your mouth is. Stop using Titan blobs and lets see how you become one of those losers shall we

Clearly 100bill isn't enough to stop alliances from mass producing them.

Like how thier fleet got wiped out in under 20 min last night?